Updated: May 29, 2020

This episode I talk with Ben Roche, Vice President of Engagement at Southern Cross University, Australia.

Ben is a father of two, a novice gardener and keen photographer He’s someone whose insights and perspectives I deeply respect.

I always enjoy chatting with Ben and I hope you take some gold away from this conversation as I did.

0:55 Full life, full job, full family life

5.29 The joy of pen and paper

13.44 Birthing Plan

15.25 Playground Test

Roughly 32 not working for the man

35.12 James Ladwig

38.40 Jan Owens

45.50 Aligning passion and purpose

52.50 The Accounting Game

104.00 Risky Playgrounds

107.24 It’s really hard to kill them

1.17.40 Go the F*ck to Sleep