This episode I talk with Ben Roche, Vice President of Engagement at Southern Cross University, Australia.
Ben is a father of two, a novice gardener and keen photographer He’s someone whose insights and perspectives I deeply respect.
I always enjoy chatting with Ben and I hope you take some gold away from this conversation as I did.

0:55 Full life, full job, full family life
5.29 The joy of pen and paper
13.44 Birthing Plan
15.25 Playground Test
Roughly 32 not working for the man
35.12 James Ladwig
38.40 Jan Owens
45.50 Aligning passion and purpose
52.50 The Accounting Game
104.00 Risky Playgrounds
107.24 It’s really hard to kill them
1.17.40 Go the F*ck to Sleep